We're seeing an intention, and we don't know if it's against my integrity or my life
A leaked 25-minute audio features Carlos Guillén discussing plans to oust Demartini, with references to President Boluarte wanting to 'clean everything' and remove the minister. Demartini's legal team confirmed the security request to Interior Ministry, stating the minister won't resign and is taking precautions given potential threats to his integrity.
- 25-minute audio recorded December 18 features Carlos Guillén discussing plans to remove Demartini
- Audio broadcast January 26 by Cuarto Poder; now in prosecutors' hands
- Demartini requested security reinforcement from Interior Ministry after audio surfaced
- Recording made one week before death of Nilo Burga, former Frigoinca board head
Peru's Social Development Minister Julio Demartini requested enhanced security after an audio revealed alleged plans by President Dina Boluarte's circle to remove him from office, implicating political power struggles within the government.
Julio Demartini, Peru's Minister of Social Development, walked into the Interior Ministry last week with a specific request: strengthen his security detail. The reason was sitting in prosecutors' hands—a 25-minute audio recording that suggested powerful people in government wanted him gone.
The recording surfaced on January 26 when the television program Cuarto Poder broadcast a conversation between Carlos Guillén, described as someone close to President Dina Boluarte's circle, and a woman seeking to become a cooperating witness in the Qali Warma corruption case. In the audio, Guillén speaks plainly about political housecleaning. "The aunt wants to restructure everything," he says, using Boluarte's family nickname. "Clean everything. Make Demartini disappear. You've seen there are other political interests." Later in the same conversation, he returns to the point: "We simply want to flip Demartini, flip all of Qali Warma, and cut off the heads of the uncle and the other uncle."
Demartini did not dismiss the threat as political theater. In an interview with Milagros Leiva's program on Willax television, he explained his reasoning with careful precision. Ministers of state receive standard security by virtue of their office, he said, but these recordings changed the calculation. "I haven't asked for guarantees for my life, and I want to be clear about that," he stated. "What I have asked the Interior Ministry to do is reinforce the security I already have, given these declarations and these audios. We're not talking about small things. The investigations will continue. But we're seeing in these conversations an intention—and we don't know if it's an intention against my physical integrity or my dignity. I also have a family to think about."
Juan Peña, Demartini's lawyer, had already signaled the security request to Canal N on January 27, even as the audio was still reverberating through Lima's political circles. Peña was careful not to overstate but also not to minimize. He rejected any suggestion that his client might resign. "He has no possibility of resigning, at least not for now," Peña said. "He is focused entirely on his work as a minister of state." But on the substance of the threat, Peña was direct: the phrase "flip him" or "knock him down" could be interpreted many ways, and when the Public Ministry hears language like that, institutions have a duty to warn and protect. "He doesn't have fear, but he does have to take precautions," Peña explained. "When institutions see any kind of threat, the minimum they have to do is give notice so someone can take life precautions."
The audio itself carries weight beyond the immediate threat to one minister. It was recorded on December 18—a week before Nilo Burga, the former head of Frigoinca's board, died under circumstances that remain contested. In the conversation, Guillén references Burga and suggests the government now wants to "bury" the matter. The recording has landed with prosecutors investigating the Qali Warma case, a sprawling corruption scandal involving school meal programs. The audio hints at connections between Demartini and the Gambrino family, suggesting investigators may be looking at a wider network of relationships and interests.
What emerges from the recording is not a single plot but a portrait of government under strain. Guillén speaks of power struggles, of officials playing both sides, of the need to "break" things and people who have become inconvenient. Demartini, by his own account in the audio, has been caught between competing loyalties—to Boluarte and to someone referred to as "Morgan." The minister's request for enhanced security is, in one sense, a small administrative matter. In another sense, it is a public acknowledgment that Peru's government is fracturing along lines of personal loyalty and political survival, and that those fractures can turn dangerous.
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The aunt wants to restructure everything. Clean everything. Make Demartini disappear.— Carlos Guillén, in the recorded audio
We're not talking about small things. We're seeing in these conversations an intention—and we don't know if it's an intention against my physical integrity or my dignity.— Julio Demartini, in an interview
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Why did Demartini wait until the audio was broadcast to ask for more security? Didn't he know he was in danger before?
He likely didn't know the extent of it. These conversations were happening behind closed doors. Once they became public, once prosecutors had them, the threat became concrete and undeniable. That's when you move from suspicion to precaution.
His lawyer said he won't resign. But if powerful people want him out, can he really stay?
That's the real question. Staying in office when the president's circle wants you gone is possible only if you have leverage or protection elsewhere. Demartini seems to be betting that his work speaks for itself, that he can outlast the pressure.
What does "flip him" actually mean in this context?
It could mean removing him from office, it could mean turning him into a liability, it could mean worse. That ambiguity is part of why Demartini took it seriously. You don't wait for clarity when someone is talking about making you disappear.
The audio mentions Nilo Burga dying a week later. Is there a connection?
The timing is suspicious enough that prosecutors are looking at it. Whether there's a direct line or just circumstantial proximity, we don't know yet. But it's why the audio matters beyond just Demartini's security.
Does this tell us anything about how Boluarte's government actually works?
It shows a government held together by personal relationships and mutual interest, not institutions. When those relationships fracture, people start talking about removing each other. That's not normal governance—that's survival politics.